. >> rachel, if you've used google so far this morning and since we're all journalists here we use it all the time, we will have seen then that they are noting told is the 86th birthday of chavez, the latino civil rights leader out of california. and one of the issues that he worked on half a century ago, the issue of the immigrant or migrant workforce and working towards their rights. with the guest work er program, the number attributed to that is 200,000 is what they're agreeing to. i think 400,000 according to "the new york times," was really the number they wanted. put some context around those two figures and why it matters. >> well, we saw a deal being reached over the weekend with two major players in this debate, the afl-cio and the chamber of commerce. it's not totally clear that they're going to have agreement from everybody on both sides of the debate. in other words, not all of the business community and maybe not all the labor activists will line up behind this. that remains to be seen. so that's a question moving forward, but obviously these are two very important playe